Yes Ralph, that's the point i was making. Joe just likes to insult and argue, without actually taking the time to ponder another point of view. Drop out rates have more to do with parents than teachers. I was pointing out information that showed that there is little correlation between the amount of pay a teacher receives in the US and the quality of the education provided by those teachers. The PSEA tries to make us believe otherwise, and that has been a point that has been raised a number of times in the South Butler contract issue.